Saturday, 3 November 2018

Cool thoughts and hair theories

First of all: I really love the intelligent feedback on my weird experiments and rants.

So thank you all!
This is what makes blogging worth it!
Funny, I wonder if my scalp gets sore due to the location of an updo/braid.
I remember when my appendix ruptured and I went into hospital with a top knot, and it stayed in that style for four days (Was the easiest to lay in a hospital bed with). My scalp never felt sore----now, I wondered if it was due to surgery and I was SO dry there!! I did brush it out and re-tie it, but it was never tender. I wonder if it's because it was balanced on the top of my head and didn't cause any pulling downward. So, perhaps using that theory if you had more updos at the top of your head, rather than the back, there may be an easier way to stabalize it? Just a thought :)
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That´s interesting!
Actually it confuses me a bit: I had the thought that maybe it was the slow moisture drain from my scalp (Since I didn't rinse or otherwise treat it between updos) that contributed to my scalp becoming sore in the end.

But then you describe that you were really dry at the hospital and it didn't leave your scalp sore. Hmm!
But wouldn't you be more exposed to dry at your work? I mean, hospitals have industrial A/C and will try to keep the climate dry to reduce bacteria and fungal growth, but working with horses at a barn should be a really dry climate too. All the sand and hay should really suck the moisture out of the air, right?

I once tried to explain the concept of needing longer hair to do certain styles if you have thick hair to someone and got a very weird look for that, but I know what you're talking about!
Basic cinnamon bun works the same for me, as it did for you: okay on waist, quite bad at classic. It worked nicely at tailbone length.
I can't get a Nautilus right on me, but I recently tried out the Lazy Wrap bun, which I never got to work at phases where I had longer hair, so:
Updo structure of LWB bun x (Waist-to-hip length/iii-hair type) = Good structural integrity
Updo structure of LWB bun x (classic length/iii-hair type) = Bad structural integrity
No matter at what hair length, I never could get anything to work out where you need to form loops and then reach through that loop and pull the remaining length through, there doesn't seem to be a point where I a) don't have enough length to pull through or b) way too much length so that it all falls apart.
Do you notice "sliding" and think that length factors in? No matter how long or short my hair is, buns, braids and ponytails slide down to my nape and disintegrate. I like styles to be quite high, otherwise I look frumpy, but as it all slides down, I frequently have to redo them. It's probably because my hair is unevenly distributed and the majority is on the back of my head and nape area, but not much on the front and sides.
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Oh yes, that weird look. It's just one of longhair things that it seems only the weirdest most seasoned thinks about.
Can you link to the lazy wrap bun? Last time I tried to find a good tutorial I found that there were a couple of different methods and all of them resulted in very different updos for me. It was strange.

I definitely think length factors in. I think once you reach a length where your hair is noticeably longer than necessary for an updo, you will get some sliding. If your hair is so long you just have to take a few extra loops just to get the entire length put up, you will get some sliding. My reasoning for thinking this is that you're "done" with the structure and now you're just tucking length up. If you have to form extra loops, there is nothing anchoring or structural left in the updo and you just keep piling on a slippery mass that is going in the same direction with the same tension and it just adds more load to the updo. You should need to add additional anchoring, structural hold or just a direction change to distribute the tension.
*shrugs* At least that's my theory.
Also, I think hair type is a factor here. Soft/slippery hair should exponentially increase this effect. (Gotta love coarse hair! Coarse hair don't care.)

As for your personal, non-theoretical sliding, I'd like to ask what type of tools you use? I find that using thicker sticks or forks seems to "push" the style apart and accelerate any instability. This is one of the reasons I love the basic Ron Quattro's: They are just so thin that it doesn't seem to affect the updo at all.


  1. Funny thing for me, when I'm at work, I get oily/greasy. The dirt/sweat and climate makes my hair greasy for the most part--even in winter as I wear hats all the time.

    My guess is, in hospital, perhaps due to blood loss in surgery I was drier?? I was SO thirsty when I woke from surgery and I had an IV in me too! It was rather baffling to me tbh, and I then wondered if the anesthesia makes you dehydrated?? I mean, my appendix had ruptured almost 48 hrs before it was removed, so I have no idea what was going on in my body and what medications were used on top of the surgery. Oddly enough, any other time I've been ill, I cannot wear any type of updo--even a single braid can hurt my scalp if I have a very high fever. So I'm as baffled as can be why that top knot did not bother me at all. Once home (at my Mom's to recover), I did return to an english braid over time. I'm theorizing that perhaps the hospital bed, given it has a way to maintain an incline and that your body lays flat on it (no pillow) was the reason my hair likely was more stabalized then if I was at home/with a pillow.

    Keep in mind, my hair is quite light, and while thick, no where near your length or thickness which would result in a much harder to manage bun to stabilize. I think it's about the ratio of weight distribution over your scalp, and likely why multiple smaller buns work better than one large bun?

  2. *blushing because you published the comment*

    This tutorial comes closest to what I call LWB:
    She uses two fingers to create the "loop", but from what I can tell her hair seems thinner than mine, but probably coarser in structure and she has a little body and natural volume. Mine's pin-straight and very slippery.There's also a variation of the LWB where you create a second loop over your thumb, but I never got that right, it always slipped away before I got to the wrapping part.

    I use Ketylos for the LWB, they produce the least sliding, but I never managed to secure any other updo with a stick, regardless of material or form. Flexi8 also slide a lot and often create that tugging sensation at the roots, which I really hate, same for my Ficcare clip (but pretty!). I also get sliding when using regular hair clips to secure a cinnamon bun or when using one of those Paganaga/Invisibobble hairties. I'm always awed when I see people securing a ponytail/bun with one of these and it holds the whole day.

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